Boxerman you are a thinker. Thank you. That is a kludge and works but I am hoping to do thisin a better way.

The iframe also seems to blow the design out no matter what height I put it at unless the iframe is on the bottom of the sidebar. But it works for the moment.

I hope someone can help with how to do a php file include in this stuf cause it will make it work better for adverts.

I tried the smarty include_php but that did not work. I don't know if I have to assign the output to a variable and call it later maybe? I think the php has to be called in the main files and executed as a variable in the output or the smarty will not allow outside include (even though I have tried both local and remote file includes and moved them to different directories to experiment - with no success).

So Boxerman you have the first solution but it is kludge and I am still requesting anyone that might be able to get this done as a real include?

Thanks again Boxerman you did give me the breathing space to find the program solution (if it exists).

CHEERS! :D